tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16185910560920602.post3882656285791537822..comments2024-03-16T16:09:35.045+11:00Comments on Saints Will Arise: Prayer options for the stealth hermitess (and others) - Part III. The Divine OfficeKate Edwardshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01000040465724868745noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16185910560920602.post-84016402083879377092019-09-07T12:57:14.320+10:002019-09-07T12:57:14.320+10:00Irenaeus - As I pointed out in my earlier comment,...Irenaeus - As I pointed out in my earlier comment, the instruction relates to the Office in Common or choir, NOT when said by one person alone. <br /><br />So if a Roman rite priest attends the monastic Office while on retreat at a monastery for example, he has, consistent with this, satisfied his obligation. But that does not mean he can satisfy his obligation by saying the Benedictine Office privately (unless he is an oblate, in which case the indult of 1947 applies).<br /><br />The situation, in other words, is exactly the same as if one attends a Mass in some other rite - canon law states anyone can satisfy their Sunday obligation by attending any rite of the Catholic church; that doesn't mean that any priest can say any rite they choose if they are offering the Mass themselves however.<br /><br />Secondly, Universae Ecclesiae explicitly states that 1962 liturgical law applies to the permissions to use the 1962 forms of the Office, not later legislation, so it is debatable whether the General Instructions on the Liturgy of the Hours provision which you quote applies. I know for example that the FSSP take the view that it doesn't.Kate Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01000040465724868745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16185910560920602.post-60023057041616669782019-09-07T01:21:01.798+10:002019-09-07T01:21:01.798+10:00Hello, I'm three years late but I'm afraid...Hello, I'm three years late but I'm afraid Janol is correct. The Rubrics of the Breviarium says:<br /><br />"157. Any diocesan cleric, however, or any religious of either sex, obliged under any title to recite the Divine Office, who participates in the Office in choir or in common according to another calendar or rite than his own, is thereby satisfying his obligation as far as this part of the Office is concerned. Likewise, when anyone participates in votive Vespers of any external solemnity, he is satisfying his obligation as to this part of the Office, as long as the aforesaid Vespers have been celebrated in their entirety and according to the rubrics."<br /><br />Nevertheless, you're doing an outstanding work with your blog, Kate!Irenaeusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16185910560920602.post-45557894060448006352016-08-01T22:01:52.815+10:002016-08-01T22:01:52.815+10:00Thanks for drawing that to my attention, good poin...Thanks for drawing that to my attention, good point, have reworded.<br /><br />But I do wonder if it rather implies being present at something led by someone else, ie a priest attending vespers at a monastery? <br /><br />Also, given that the provision is in the instruction rather than the Code might be a question about conflict with 1962 liturgical law, which applies to use of older forms of Office according to (Ben XVI) Ecclesiae Unitatem?Kate Edwardshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01000040465724868745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16185910560920602.post-15027069757930158612016-08-01T21:06:21.579+10:002016-08-01T21:06:21.579+10:00Kate, you wrote regarding the 1962 Roman Office: &...Kate, you wrote regarding the 1962 Roman Office: "...(unless your priest is a monk or an Oblate, saying the Benedictine Office for example, will not satisfy his obligation to say the Office)." <br /><br />Is that correct? In the General Instruction of the Liturgy of Hours it says: <br /><br />"242. When clerics or religious who are obliged under any title to pray the divine office join in an office celebrated in common according to a calendar or rite different from their own, they fulfill their obligation in respect to the part of the office at which they are present."Janolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12238057063775340859noreply@blogger.com